Are OLD Leica Digital Cameras Worth Buying??

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Today we are testing the Leica m-p typ 240 and seeing if older Leica cameras are worth purchasing. Especially with the new release of the Leica M-E typ 240 in 2019 which has many similarities to this camera.

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48 Comments

  1. Raymond Lo on April 8, 2021 at 9:13 pm

    This is still a relatively new camera in the Leica digital world. They really upgraded the sensor once with M10R. =) And we kinda passed the age about high ISO issues anyways with nice Leica lens with F/1.4

  2. Zarni Ko on April 8, 2021 at 9:14 pm

    id take a leica m8.2 any day compare to a Q. Review coming from a tech bro starting with comments about sports teams. no thanks.

  3. SwissMarksman on April 8, 2021 at 9:18 pm

    lol "old" I was thinking about a Camera that I could afford. But Lo and Behold over 3k

  4. Bo Yo on April 8, 2021 at 9:21 pm

    Seriously if you can’t make a great picture with an M240 in daylight you should just give up.

  5. Elderin Moi on April 8, 2021 at 9:22 pm

    M240 with Leica glass is still an awesome image making machine. What do you compare the iq with ? Never heard so much crap in one video.you should give up photography altogether because you are blind.

  6. Sutlore Keng on April 8, 2021 at 9:26 pm

    Well, image quality from Leica M10 or the new Q2 is just so so in terms of DR or low light sensitivity. I would say it is similar on my APS-C Sony A6300 but who cares. If I prefer to shoot with range finder. would like to feel and enjoy old style shooting in a digital camera. Image quality or any technical stuffs need to be out of the brain for a while.

  7. Jerry LLanes on April 8, 2021 at 9:26 pm

    Disagree, have two m240’s and a Q. Love the m240s. I shoot them with Zeiss zm lenses. Match made in heaven. Different strokes for different folks… Great video!!!!

  8. Azvasa Music on April 8, 2021 at 9:26 pm

    hey man my folks are sending me a leica digilux 1… im wondering if I can hook this up to the computer for streaming? does this have an output for hdmi? So I can connect to the Hdmi to usb3 dongle to computer.. Possible? Thanks for you vid! great production

  9. G Bo on April 8, 2021 at 9:27 pm

    I have a Q-P, and a complete Sony A7III system (complete means with several lenses). The main reason I will never ever buy a M system, and you are not mentionning it enough to me, is because of the focusing system. A telemeter is a very different way of manually focusing. For those who don’t know how telemeters works, you have to align 2 parts on the viewfinder (which is optical, not electronic) to focus properly. You also need to frame your picture depending on the focal length you are using (remember, the viewfinder is optical…). I’ve used couple of rangefinder (back in the film days), and I have never been able to really appreciate them, because of the telemeter system. Some people do like telemeter cameras, but some, like me, don’t. My advise is : try them before spending an money on it. I really liked this video, and the way you’ve concluded it. This is a wise conclusion. Thanks for your videos.

  10. Bo Yo on April 8, 2021 at 9:28 pm

    I’m sorry but "image quality comes second" is the most pathetic way i have ever heard someone describe a Leica. Sounds like the problem is just you.

  11. Fachy Marin on April 8, 2021 at 9:28 pm

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  12. Nuno Santos on April 8, 2021 at 9:30 pm

    Image quality (as you described) is just one of the least important factor for professionals. The only ones that cares and depends on image quality are the commercial photographers, for them, more is always better: All the rest, can produce amazing work with any camera made in the last decade, and that´s why still the majority of pros still use 5 to 7 years old slr cameras, with not so different tech as this sensor has.

  13. GeneralTarik on April 8, 2021 at 9:30 pm

    Bought my M240 from B&H last year and I’ve already made my money back from using it on shoots. It is a conversation piece that helps me get clients, especially when they see the photos. Is it the best in low light, no but neither is the 5D MkII that I still use. I don’t know what your style of shooting is but based on the photos you showed in the video, it didn’t really look like you used the camera at it’s strengths ( I saw one pic of a hand holding your hat). If you really want to test it out, take some people pics, either portraits or candids. At the end of the day though, it really boils down to what you shoot, how you shoot and picking the best tool for the job.

  14. James Ong on April 8, 2021 at 9:31 pm

    Prestige

  15. Rodrigue Zahr on April 8, 2021 at 9:31 pm

    To me old digits Leica translates to one M model only, the unparalleled M9

  16. Gene on April 8, 2021 at 9:32 pm

    I think he intentionally avoids talking about the lens he is using. Leica is about their lenses, especially for digital bodies. M 240 performs fine up to ISO 1600. With a 1.4 lens, plenty for night shooting.

  17. CottonTeeth on April 8, 2021 at 9:32 pm

    Honestly I don’t see the point of buying this when I can buy a plethora of better cameras and great lenses for the same amount for an old Leica body and get way better image quality, more options in looks, feel, and experiences, glass and flexibility. Every picture I have seen from people that shoot Leica are subpar and it seems the only reason people use them is simply for the ‘clout’ and bragging rights of shooting on a $5000000000 Leica camera, or retired old men who don’t know what to spend their money on, yet their images are no better then every other average joe with a point n shoot or dslr. I’m sure the “shooting experience” with them is great, as I have not used one before so I cannot say for myself. Simply based on observation. But I really can’t see how justifying paying $3000-$6000 for a under spect, slow, outdated “Leica” camera is worth it for that price. Gotta have that red dot on your camera I guess…
    Or you could just buy a Fujifilm or Sony digital camera or hell, even an old film Leica or Hasselblad camera for 1/10th the price plus a ton of glass for better images quality and flexibility.

  18. SJ Joseph on April 8, 2021 at 9:32 pm

    No man! Maybe you have a defective leica. I’ve had a leica M-p type 240 for many years (exactly how many, not sure) and the image quality is NOT second class by any stretch of the imagination. I honestly do not know what you are talking about. You can make huge prints without problems. I think you are just nit picking over really trivial unimportant issues and present them as if they are everything about this camera and that if you are to use the leica type 240 you have to be prepared to put up with some major compromises. No way! Where do you come from with that kind of an assessment? Really, honestly, in some respects its a specialty camera and you just have to appreciate it for what it is. It’s a great camera and I submit that 98% of the leica owners are probably far wanting in their ability to realize its full potentials. I can promise you that as long as my leica MP (240) remains faithful to me I will never get rid of it.

  19. Shamik choudhury on April 8, 2021 at 9:34 pm

    I believe I won’t buy a used digital Leica for 3000/- bucks. But question is image quality, does a 5 year old digital Leica has a inferior image quality than newer digital Leica. If it is so, then it need to be established.

  20. Patrick Cazer on April 8, 2021 at 9:34 pm

    price may be high, i am not a leica user.. but the way i see it. ‘less is more’ cameras where you know you can just do everything with it don’t seem that fun because you have all these options, leica seems like limiting camera that a lot of photographers seem to appreciate

  21. Badger O'Stripey-One on April 8, 2021 at 9:35 pm

    How can he blame what he alleges are poor results on an older camera when he had the best lenses in the world to choose from? Some of the best photographs I have ever taken were with an M9 with a 50mm Summilux, which definitely IS the finest 50mm 1.4 in the world.

  22. Pablo Navarro on April 8, 2021 at 9:35 pm

    It really does not matter if the camera is 5/10 years old. I’ve seen great photographers taking incredible pictures with Leica M8/M9, early Fujis, Canon 5D Mark III (which is awesome and has a lot of banding in the raw files).

  23. Michael Knight on April 8, 2021 at 9:36 pm

    When you say “old Leica camera” I’m thinking 30 to 40 years old.

  24. Becker Inal on April 8, 2021 at 9:36 pm

    Learning Photography before reviewing a Camera should be your priority. Cheers!

  25. Sam Moorhouse on April 8, 2021 at 9:36 pm

    Bought a 262 and love it for the SOOC jpg quality as well as the Rangefinder/ Leica experience

  26. Mecnez on April 8, 2021 at 9:37 pm

    Takes you 13min to get to the conclusion? Dude you are long winded……….

  27. Watch Hobbyist on April 8, 2021 at 9:38 pm

    You really didn’t use this to it’s full potential. I took an MP to Tokyo. Day and night, the IQ was awesome with a fast lens.

  28. Danie Anez on April 8, 2021 at 9:39 pm

    The only problem is that it can’t be "fixed" in post. It’s true, when compared to the M10 the M240 could have a better image when pulling shadows BUT IF you shoot your exposure like you should , then you should have an image as good as the most recent M10. The M10 is still a 24MP camera and it still is not as "good" as a SONY or Fuji as far manipulating photos in post to an extreme. If you shoot the right exposure your image will be as good as any current camera. I dare to make a comparison shootout with the M240 and other current cameras and no one would be able to tell the difference if the images are shown as shot.

  29. Thomas Chin on April 8, 2021 at 9:39 pm

    The great thing about Leica is that you are always evolving, and can re-sell the Leica for an upgrade, I would love the M10, but, after shooting with DSLRs, I’m downsizing to Leicas, for my retirement years, already tried the Q, Vario-X, love both cameras, and the unique Leica image, upgrading to the M240, going to play round with this camera and eventually move up to an M10…

  30. Brian Davies on April 8, 2021 at 9:41 pm

    I bought a used Leica M (Type 240) earlier this year, and it is perfectly capable of delivering stunning images. After all, it’s not the camera, it’s the photographer (sorry for the cliche). You are right when you say that rangefinder cameras are all about the experience. I bought mine to get away from the technological wonders that are my other cameras, and go back to a slower, more considered style of photography. But beware, buying an "old" Leica can hurt your wallet, as I am right now waiting delivery of a brand new M10-P. Leicas are addictive to some. By the way, that Q you are using is four years old technology, so also qualifies as an "old" Leica. I believe it has the same sensor and processor as the M Type 240, but I could be wrong about that.

  31. Tangent Radio on April 8, 2021 at 9:41 pm

    For the timid: pick up a nice Leica V-Lux 1 for $200. You get a great Leica lens, versatility, ease of use and all those vibrant Leica colors. And more fun than $200 should be able to buy.

  32. K W on April 8, 2021 at 9:44 pm

    The image quality with Leica glass on the 240 is stunning even today. I like it much more than my previous Canons and Fujis.

  33. Topsyrm on April 8, 2021 at 9:46 pm

    I’ve 3 M9s as well as an M6 and M2. IQ is subjective there are loads of us shooting older stuff that appreciate it. I get it won’t probably cut it for your paid jobs but there’s something satisfying about using the old gear for personal stuff. I find no issues with the IQ of my M9s and they need almost no PP to make images that I really like. I think you are a bit harsh on the older tech but I guess you need the most up to date for your work. BTW I also shoot Fuji X-T2 and GFX 50S so I know what modern sensors can deliver.

  34. Arrested Images Photography and Design on April 8, 2021 at 9:47 pm

    I totally disagree with you – the Leica m 240 P is a far superior camera to the Leica Q………especially when paired with some of the best glass in the world. ie the Leica Summilux lens or the Lei a Noctilux . With this combination, and if skilled in shooting Rangefinders, you will definitely be producing the finest quality imagery imaginable, unbeatable by any other dslr on the market – I would suggest you are just not that familiar shooting Rangefinders, thus your imagery was inferior to what you produce with your Q or any other point and shoot camera with an EVF………..Rangefinders take time to learn and you can’t expect to pick one up, having never used one before, and then produce stunning imagery. I suggest you do a little more research into the Leica brand. Also, they still produce the Leica m 240 p so you need not buy "an old dslr" when you can walk into a multitude of camera stores and buy yourself a brand new one quite easily. One more thing – I found it quite odd that in your 13 plus minute review of the 240p you never once showed us a single sample image? why was that?

  35. Robby on April 8, 2021 at 9:49 pm

    Evan, appreciate you sharing first of all. Having said that, I think your comments did not have sufficient history behind them. By that I mean not enough time was given to hone the camera/lens attributes which is warranted when you shoot with a Leica. I would liken the learning curve to a courtship between your vision and the equipment to reproduce. Did you perhaps shoot any black and whites which Leica is strongly known for? Just a septuagenarian’s observation. Much success in your endeavors.
    Respectfully,

  36. c l on April 8, 2021 at 9:51 pm

    Old Leicas aren’t about image quality, they’re about image type. Some people want a more vintage look and older Leicas are great for that. I love the look of my M9, especially with vintage lenses. And no modern camera can come close to that. You gotta find what image type matches your artistic vision. Because there’s no such thing as better image quality. Only images that better match your style.

  37. BBnose on April 8, 2021 at 9:53 pm

    Why using Zeiss lens? At lease you have to attach a leica lens to get the true leica quality image before making yr conclusion.

  38. Hannah Cassidy Creative on April 8, 2021 at 9:53 pm

    I wish you weren’t so critical of your own work. Every vlog you beat yourself up about some of your shots! Your work is great!

  39. davie hudson on April 8, 2021 at 9:57 pm

    When I saw old I thought you meant old, clearly not

  40. Camera Technology Cambodia on April 8, 2021 at 9:59 pm

    Good sharing video thank!!!

  41. jörn mauersberger on April 8, 2021 at 10:00 pm

    Sorry, you don’t shoot with the body (that you are only talking about) but with the lenses! Leica is about lenses and the bodies deliver best results with Leica lenses. Therfore, if you are willing to invest in (expensive) Leica lenses it is worth having a M240 or other M camara.

  42. Dalyte Dashyne Bryte on April 8, 2021 at 10:01 pm

    Still shooting a Leica M9 and Monochrom CCD; for me, the risk is worth the reward. There’s always a risk for older cameras, like shooting an Xpan or any Contax point & shoots—those break and you have a really expensive brick. It depends on the photographer and their choice of creative tool (along with their risk). As for image quality, I think it’s a dangerous philosophy for anything outside of studio photography. Find a camera that you love, master it as a creative tool, make an amazing photograph, mat and frame it—anyone who brings up imagine quality during a critique is missing the point. You’ll be fine with most functioning cameras out there. Look at the icons of photography, you’ll be hard pressed to find immaculate image quality in all their photographs. Eh but who am I?

  43. Henry Law on April 8, 2021 at 10:02 pm

    Get to the point.

  44. Corot Images on April 8, 2021 at 10:04 pm

    Thanks Evan enjoyed the video. I came from Leica IIIf, IIIg, M3, and M6 film cameras and they were very good cameras, So was my old film Nikon F cameras. Currently, I use a Fuji x100f which I feel is the new Leica. Leica lost their way on bodies digitally, still produce good lenses, although Voigtlander equals 0r surpasses them (have the 40mm f1.4 glued on my xt20) Also, sold my old summilux f1.4 and picked up a voigtlander 50mm f1.5 (vastly superior). The main thing is you enjoy what your use I have seen many great and really awful photographers using Leica over the years. If one thinks buying a Leica will make them somehow a professional or good photographer they are terribly mistaken. Love the camera you use and take it everywhere. For me personally the x100f fits the bill beautifully and feels most like my old Leica ergonomically and has more of the Leica feel to me of the old film days than any modern Leica, I still have many Leica old Lenses I use on my xt 20 but the results of my x100f is hard to beat – keep the great videos coming

  45. Willem Verbeeck on April 8, 2021 at 10:05 pm

    Evan I want to see you shoot with an M6 😛

  46. Manuel Morales on April 8, 2021 at 10:07 pm

    I would just stay with my Leica M4 I know it’s a film camera

  47. Olivia Bohac on April 8, 2021 at 10:08 pm

    I don’t get people buying Leica camera’s and don’t use Leica glass (probably because the lenses cost more the the camera itself). Money is better spend building a set-up backwards by picking your lens first.

  48. Brian Slack on April 8, 2021 at 10:10 pm

    Coming from some one who literally has your setup (Leica Q-P & M-P typ 240) I have a couple of thoughts. Yes, the Q ‘feels’ like a more modern camera. Because it was built in conjunction with Panasonic. It’s an auto-focusing Point & shoot. it’s a leica on ‘easy mode.’ A Leica M, on the other hand, is a completely different beast. The 240 challenges me as a photographer because it’s the closest you can get to an analogue shooting experience without actually picking up a roll of film. I’m constantly amazed at ppl who look at the ISO on the 240 as outdated. We inversely talk about wanting huge iso range, while trying to shoot as low and close to ‘base ISO’ as possible. It’s about as outdated as a Leica m6, sure. But it’s still relevant : A venerable artistic tool that’s past it’s prime, but serves as a pathway to your art. Also a note on the lens type you chose: The Zeiss ZM has a bit of a focus problem as you change apertures. I went with the slightly slower Summarit 50mm 2.4 and it pairs like a good wine. Leica cameras work best with leica glass. It sounds cliche, but look at your Q. That 28mm 1.7 is absolutely gorgeous.

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